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- Frequently Asked Questions
- 386BSD 0.1
-
-
- EXTREMELY UNOFFICIAL
-
-
- Terry Lambert
- terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
- terry@icarus.weber.edu
-
-
- Last Update: 09 Aug 92
- Version: 2
-
-
- 0.0 Organization
-
- This FAQ consists of five parts:
-
- 0.* Organization.
- 1.* Overview.
- 2.* Questions list (with accompanying personally or net derived
- answers).
- 3.* Acknowledgement (but not naming -- sorry) of Contributors.
- 4.* Future of this FAQ.
- 5.* Archivers, what they archive, how to submit and download.
-
-
- 1.0 Overview
-
- The 386BSD 0.1 operating system is a derivitive of the Berkeley
- Net/2 release. The definitive "man without whom we would have nothing" in
- this effort has been William Jolitz. For more information, download the
- code.
-
- This FAQ is derived from mail to me (terry@icarus.weber.edu), which
- is a flaky mail link, and postings in the gorup comp.unix.bsd. Some of the
- people quoted here were quoted without permission. Anyone wanting to amend
- anything they have said should email me the *entire* ammended section (for
- instance, 2.08) including their changes.
-
- The information in this FAQ is current as of postings and mail
- received up to and including 02 Aug 92.
-
-
- 2.0 Questions list
-
- Here is an incomplete questions list (incomplete, because I do not
- have answers for all of them). This will probably dissapoint my
- many fans, who no doubt consider me infallable 8-). Items marked
- with an asterisk ('*') are new or have been updated since the last
- posting. Numbering has been added to the questions list to aid in
- finding things.
-
- 01 Where can I find the distribution?
- 02 Where can I get the distribution on CD ROM?
- 03 Why shouldn't I download 386BSD from UUNET?
- 04 How do I get 386bsd 0.1 installed with "real" partitoning?
- *05 How do I get a second disk running under 0.1?
- *06 How can I fix the "flashing multicolored characters and
- ptdi81061 prompt" error?
- 07 What is the highest baud rate supported?
- 08 SLIP is configured, but doesn't seem to work: what's wrong?
- *09 The serial ports don't work on my machine; is it my UARTs?
- 10 I can install; why won't it boot of my hard drive?
- 11 How can I verify my checksums before I have 386bsd installed?
- 12 How can I make my tty driver not lock up?
- 13 Where are the commands "rpcinfo" and "rpcgen"?
- 14 Why don't the man pages for "magic" and "file" work?
- 15 Why is apropos broke?
- *16 Where can I get a working "netstat"?
- 17 How can I fix NFS to work with my NE2000 board?
- 18 How do I add swap space?
- 19 Where can I get a kernel with second drive and second swap in it?
- 20 How do I make a device that can see my DOS partition?
- 21 How can I get "ps" to work?
- 22 How can I read tapes with multiple extents?
- 23 How do I get around the NFS "Permission denied" error?
- *24 Some of my SCSI devices (like a tape) dont work; why?
- 25 The "mountd" hangs on exporting a file system subdirectory.
- 26 Are EISA cards supported?
- 27 Is microchannel (MCA, PS/2) supported?
- 28 How much disk space do I need?
- 29 How do I get rid of "startart" characters on my console?
- 30 I'm having trouble installing the binaries... why is that?
- 31 Where can I get X windows for 386BSD?
- 32 Where can I get (FTP) info on how to configure a kernel?
- 33 I get the error "isr 15 and error: isr 17" on an NE2000 card, OR
- I have some card on IRQ2 and it dosn't work; why?
- 34 If I do a "pwd", my directory goes away.
- 35 I can't unpack etc01 becuse of "too many files open".
- *36 Where is libcompat.a (for gtty, stty)?
- *37 What's the current status of the kernel using gcc-2.2.2?
- *38 What's the status of streams for 0.1?
- *39 How do I make my streaming SCSI tape work?
- *40 Tip gives "all ports used" message.
- *41 SCSI controller/sense errors with DAT/varible block size tape.
- *42 My Wangtek 5150EQ doesn't stream.
- *43 The "shutdown -todos" command doesn't work.
- *44 Making an HP Vectra work without a special boot disk.
- *45 Tip gives a "no file or no lock" error.
- *46 I get the error "newfs: /dev/rwd0a: can't rewrite disk label"
- when I try to install 386BSD.
- *47 Why can't I set up 386BSD as a router?
- *48 What tape devices are compatable with 386BSD?
- *49 Why do I have to type ^V twice in screen and elsewhere?
- *50 I get blinking characters instead of highlight-- why?
- *51 Where can I get a man page for ddb?
- *52 Where can I get 386BSD on tape?
-
-
- 2.01 Where can I find the distribution?
-
- The following host sites are listed in the file DISTRIBUTION.HOSTS
- in the 386/BSD distribution (bot name and address are provided):
-
- agate.berkeley.edu 128.32.136.1
- gatekeeper.dec.com 16.1.0.2
- MATH.ORST.EDU 128.193.16.60
- UTKUX1.UTK.EDU 128.169.200.67
- terminator.cc.umich.edu 141.211.164.8
- nic.funet.fi 128.214.6.100
- dsuvax.dsu.edu 138.247.32.2
- altair.cis.ksu.edu 129.130.10.84
- hpcsos.col.hp.com 15.255.240.16 *
- math.niu.edu 131.156.3.4
- sune.stacken.kth.se 130.237.234.42
- raquel.doc.ic.ac.uk 146.169.11.3
- rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de 129.69.1.12
- HELIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU 128.2.55.10
- banjo.concert.net 192.101.21.6
- kirk.bu.oz.au 131.244.1.1
- grand.central.org 192.54.226.100
- pascal.math.fu-berlin.de 130.133.4.50
- capella.eetech.mcgill.ca 132.206.1.17
- ftp.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de 134.169.34.15
- f.ms.uky.edu 128.163.128.6
- azathoth.sura.net 128.167.254.184
-
- Notes: *Internal HP sites only
-
- The code is also soon to be available, or perhaps already available,
- from both CompuServe and BIX.
-
-
- 2.02 Where can I get the distribution on CD ROM?
-
- A company called "Yggdrasil Computing Infrastructure Corporation"
- has posted (in the person of Adam J. Richter) the following:
-
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
- I am considering selling the 386BSD 0.1 distribution on CDROM
- through my company, Yggdrasil. The distribution would run $100,
- with $60 per CD donated to Lynne and Bill Jolitz, and would
- include the following.
-
- o An ISO9660 level 2 CDROM with a copy of the 386BSD 0.1
- distribution from agate and an unpacked directory tree
- of the distribution,
-
- o Bootable installation diskettes in both 3.5" (1.44MB) and
- 5.25" (1.2MB) formats. Each of these diskettes would have
- a kernel capable of mounting an ISO9660 file system and
- a script for installing from the CDROM.
-
- o Installation instructions.
-
- o An Yggdrasil "GNU World Order" T-shirt.
-
-
- At Bill Jolitz's suggestion, I plan to wait for the first patch
- for the early bugs, which should be out "very shortly."
-
- Please send me email if you have any comments or suggestions
- about this idea or if you're sure that you'd buy a CD.
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The posted email address is richter@nic.cerf.net (Adam J. Richter);
- I would greatly encourage anyone interested in 386BSD who also has
- a CD ROM drive to purchase this when it becomes available, and to
- send Adam email so that he can get a distribution list going. If
- he's amenable to it, this distribution list should be used to
- email future items, such as "software catalogs", etc.
-
-
- 2.03 Why shouldn't I download 386BSD from UUNET?
-
- 1) William Jolitz, the author doesn't want you to.
- 2) UUNET has a policy against binaries, so you won't be able
- to boot it if you do download it.
-
- William F. Jolitz writes:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- "Do *not* obtain 386BSD from uunet! BSDI is funded partially
- from UUNET coffers, and those idiots still see 386BSD as a
- rival to their hopes.
-
- As with other related situations, they have come up with
- 'plausibly deniable' reasons to not provide information that
- they feel affects their competitive advantages."
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 'nuf said.
-
-
- 2.04 How do I get 386bsd 0.1 installed with "real" partitoning?
-
- This method also comes to us, as so much else does, by way of
- Chris G. Demetriou. The following is excerpted and edited from
- a post by him on the matter:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- HOW TO GET 386bsd 0.1 INSTALLED WITH "REAL" PARTITONING:
-
- (remember, if things don't work, they might be in places that aren't
- normally looked in... things should work as below, but you might have
- to use explicit paths occasionally... the 'better' stuff -- mount,
- umount, cp, etc... is in /usr/distbin on the fixit floppy... even
- mknod is there, if the devices you need aren't on the fixit floppy...)
-
- (1) boot the fixit floppy
- (2) disklabel the disk as appropriate
- (3) newfs the partitions
- (4) mount the new root partition under /mnt
- (5) mkdir /mnt/usr
- (6) mount the new /usr partition under /mnt/usr
- (7) cpio directory-by-directory (recursively -- by hand!) the entire
- contents of the fixit floppy to the hard drive
-
- you'll do something like:
-
- cd /
- ls | cpio -pdalmu /mnt
- cd /sbin
- ls | cpio -pdalmu /mnt/sbin
- cd /usr
- ls | cpio -pdalmu /mnt/usr
- cd /usr/bin
- ls | cpio -pdalmu /mnt/usr/bin
-
- etc. yes, it's tiring.
-
- (8) copy /usr/distbin/mount and /usr/distbin/umount to /mnt (so that
- they'll be in the new root partition, so you can mount the
- new /usr partition...)
- (9) shutdown
- and the eject the floppy.
- (10) reboot off the hard drive, the fsck -p <root raw device>
- If there are any errors, after the fsck is done, hit
- ctl-alt-delete, and repeat this step.
- (11) fsck -p <usr raw device>
- (12) mount -u <root device> /
- (13) mount <usr device> /usr
- (14) insert 0.1 boot/install floppy (dist.fs) into floppy drive
- and "mount /dev/fd0a /mnt"
- (15) cd /mnt
- and then
- usr/bin/zcat etc/baselist.Z | usr/bin/cpio -pdalmu /
- (16) cd /
- and then
- /mnt/usr/bin/zcat /mnt/etc/baseutils.cpio.Z | /mnt/usr/bin/cpio -idalmu
- (17) umount /mnt then eject the floppy
- (18) umount /usr
- (19) shutdown
- (20) reboot off the hard drive, and get all of the various files (the
- bindist files, srcdist files, etc...).
- I put them into /usr/tmp, because there wasn't enough space
- in /tmp (because it was on a small root partition...).
- (21) cd / ; cat <all the binary files> | uncompress | cpio -idalmu
- (22) rm <all the binary files>
- (23) put your hostname into "/etc/myname" and put your ip addr/hostname
- into /etc/hosts.
- (24) make an fstab for yourself. specifically, you want something like:
- <root device name> / ufs rw 1 1
- <usr device name> /usr ufs rw 1 2
-
- congrats. you now have a working system!
-
- you can repeat step 21 for the srcdist and etcdist files, as well,
- if you wish...
-
- If they don't work for you, sorry...
-
- Chris
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- If it doesn't work, I'll be sorry too, if it'll help.
-
-
- 2.05 How do I get a second disk running under 0.1?
-
- This is the result of the boot disk not auto-recognizing multiple
- hard drives. A very good fix to this, if you can recompile your
- kernel without first needing a second drive, was posted as an
- article by Christoph Robitschko. The patch is available (or will
- be soon) from agate.berkeley.edu.
-
- If you can't recompile due to a lack of disk space, or some other
- overriding reason, a compile that has at least second drive support,
- and second swap device support, is available from James Risner
- (email risner@ms.uky.edu) and is also available by anonymous FTP
- from f.ms.uky.edu:/pub2/386bsd-0.1/unofficial/second.drive.randy/*.
-
- I don't know if this work is based on Christoph's, or if it was
- independantly developed; I also do not know if the sources are
- available or not.
-
-
- 2.06 How can I fix the "flashing multicolored characters and
- ptdi81061 prompt" error?
-
- This error is a major error, as far as I'm concerned, as it effects
- the majority of the equipment that I have available to me. It is
- also present on the HP vectra. I have a soloution that works on
- AT&T 6386E/WGS, but I warn you, it's very dirty.
-
- The problem is that the code checking the return from the read of
- the CMOS RAM value falls through in the case of an invalid value.
- What really is needed is the non-existance "else" case for a bad
- CMOS setup, which goes and probes memory to see it's size. What
- currently happens is that the code falls through, the Maxmem is set
- to zero, and the maxmem and physmem are set to -1 (this is a bad
- thing).
-
- To solve this, I wrote a program in (forgive me!) Turbo C to read
- and write CMOS values, so that I could force the memory count to
- the correct value. For a machine with a base memory of 640K, the
- expected value in CMOS is 0280 (in bytes x16 and x15, respectively).
- What the AT&T boxes and the HP vectra have here is 027f, so it falls
- through to the default case and blows up.
-
- The quick and dirty workaround: If you download dist.fs from
- Chris G. Demetriou's upload on agate.berkeley.edu for the hard disk
- boot problem (this MUST be dist.fs, and not one of the other dist.fs
- files modified for Isolan or WD ethernet and named something else!),
- you can use uzap (available for anon ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu,
- located at mirrors2/unix-c/editors/uzap.tar-z) to binary edit the
- dist.fs at byte offset 946834; it should be changed from 81FE8002
- to 81FE7F02. This is the compare for 640K in the bogus code. You
- can look for the pattern 81FE8002 in the other *.fs files, including
- fixit.fs, and change it there, if you MUST use one of them instead.
-
- I have uploaded a patched version of dist.fs, and this is also on
- agate.berkeley.edu.
-
- It should be noted that, if you download uzap, you should "touch"
- uzap.c, as otherwise, make will try to use lex to create it, and
- will probably fail. This is due to the tar extraction order from
- the uzap tar archive.
-
-
- 2.07 What is the highest baud rate supported?
-
- The highes baud rate that is supported is 38400. This is somewhat
- a misnomer, however, since it implies that you will get "support"
- if 386BSD fails to perform at this baud rate. This is incorrect;
- if it doesn't perform at 38400, try a lower baud rate. No one is
- going to commit to "fix it" for you based on a complaint. If anyone
- wants to write a faster driver, the canonical method of running
- higher baud rates is to take one interrupt an poll like hell. This
- would probably impact performace pretty significantly.
-
- If you need more than 38400, you should consider an ehternet card.
-
-
- 2.08 SLIP is configured, but doesn't seem to work: what's wrong?
-
- Warren Toomey and Peter Cooper have together discovered the soloution
- for this one. Place a "nohup" on the command line in front of the
- "slattach", like so:
-
- nohup slattach /dev/com2 9600
-
- The problem is apparently related to the idea of controlling tty.
- The slattach should have /dev/com2 as it's controlling tty after
- it has been run, and does not. This causes slattach to shut down.
- Understandably, this leads to another workaround: restart slattach
- once you're up.
-
-
- 2.09 The serial ports don't work on my machine; is it my UARTs?
-
- It doesn't matter if you have old (8250) or new (16450) UART's in
- your box. Most likely, the problem is related to something living
- at IRQ4 (if you are trying to use com1/com3) or IRQ3 (if com2/com4).
- You should move the conflicting card to another interrupt, since, in
- general, you won't beable to move the com card. This is because
- interrupt sharing requires either the interrupt line not being
- current sinked (thus preventing other interrupts), or a *lot* of
- fancy footwork and some very explicit knowledge of the cards
- involved. The first condition is not going to be met by most AT
- bus (ISA) cards. The second would require a general change in the
- way com cards are made and nearly a driver per card. DOS doesn't
- have this problem because it'scom drivers in BIOS poll the cards for
- input rather than being interrupt driven. This is generally not a
- good idea in a multiprocessing (say 386BSD) environment.
-
- A further note on this topic: if you want to run at a higher baud
- rate, you should probably consider rewriting the driver, replacing
- your 8250's with 16550's, or not running at the higher rate.
-
-
- 2.10 I can install; why won't it boot of my hard drive?
-
- In general, this will show up as a "bad disk label" error, and
- can result in in not booting from the hard drive "most of the time".
- You may be able to partially (or even completely) work around this
- problem by making your machine run at a lower clock rate.
-
- This problem is the result of the kernel reading the wrong register
- waiting for the drive controller to come ready. On some controllers,
- this isn't a problem; on others, it's fatal.
-
- The correct soloution is to use a patched "dist.fs" or "fixit.fs"
- boot disk. These have been provided by Chris G. Demetriou, and
- are located on the machine agate.berkeley.edu in the directory
- pub/386BSD/386bsd-0.1/unofficial/newbootables.cgd. There are a
- number of other bootables ther for WD8003 and Isolan ethernet cards,
- since the probing for both can cause problems.
-
-
- 2.11 How can I verify my checksums before I have 386bsd installed?
-
- A "cksum" program for the 386BSD distribution which runs on
- SVR4, and which can probably be easily modified to run elsewhere,
- has been provided by Henry G. Juengst (whose email address is
- juengst@boss1.physik.uni-bonn.de). Henry states about his port:
-
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- I found cksum in srcdist and compiled it. Some definition problems
- had to be resolved (quick hack). DG/UX 5.4.1 is a System V R4. Now
- I can begin to verify all files here (first check done) and use 386BSD
- for education (for no money) in an astronomical observatory
- (SNH, Erkrath/Germany) which is open for everybody.
-
- I hope this modified cksum will help anybody just to verify the
- contributed files before moving them to anywhere. Use make.sh to
- compile it. But have a look before you start. May be you have
- to change _PROTO_ARGS in all *.c & *.h using
- sed 's/_PROTO_ARGS/YOUR_PROTOTYPE_MACRO/g' file.c >file.new.c
- (it was __P in the original source). If you are not sure you should
- have a look into your /usr/include/stdio.h (for example).
-
- THIS IS NO PATCH FOR 386BSD !
-
- Henry
-
- Sorry, here should be the uuencoded .tar.Z file. But the nntp server
- fails because out of disk space; 40 kbytes - mmmh. You can get it via
- anonymous ftp from
-
- boss1.physik.uni-bonn.de:~ftp/pub/386bsd/cksum_dgux/cksum_dg.uue
- [131.220.221.30]
-
- for the next two month. You won't waste your time if you have a look
- into the other directories (e.g. ~ftp/pub/dcl) !
-
- If you don't have ftp access you can mail me. I will send it to you.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- I'm sure that Henry's work will soon find its way to agate and other
- canonical distribution sites.
-
-
- 2.12 How can I make my tty driver not lock up?
-
- 1) Don't use it (8-)).
- 2) Apply Mark Eichin's (eichin@athena.mit.edu) patch for the
- file tty_ring.c.
-
- Sorry, no binaries with this patch already installed. Hopefully, it
- will show up in the usual places soon. Currently, the patch is
- article 1930 of comp.unix.bsd. You can get it form your favorite
- news archive (mine is wuarchive.wustl.edu).
-
- 2.13 Where are the commands "rpcinfo" and "rpcgen"?
-
- Chris Flatters (cflatter@nrao.edu) informs us in the following
- posting except where we can find them:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- The sources for the Sun OS 4.0 RPC are on titan.rice.edu (I don't have
- the inet number handy) in directory sun-sources. You will have to pick
- up all the shell archives and unpack them to get at rpcgen.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.14 Why don't the man pages for "magic" and "file" work?
-
- James Jegers (jimj@miller.cs.uwm.edu) enlightens us:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- The manual page for magic and file all have two dots
- before the commands, eg. "..SH" it should be ".SH"
- just delete one of the double dots in the whole file and then
- it will work.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.15 Why is apropos broke?
-
- Also from James Jegers:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- The Makefile in /usr/othersrc/share/man/Makefile creates the
- whatis.db. The problem is that it doesn't strip the backspaces in
- the title and apropos can't handle that. So add a "col -b" to strip
- those.
-
- exerpt from the makefile.
-
- makedb:
- for file in `find /usr/share/man -type f -name '*.0' -print`; do \
- sed -n -f /usr/share/man/makewhatis.sed $$file; \
- done | col -b | sort -u > whatis.db
- install -o ${BINOWN} -g ${BINGRP} -m 444 whatis.db \
- ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/man
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.16 Where can I get a working "netstat"?
-
- Havard Eidnes (Havard.Eidnes@runit.sintef.no) has ported it for us:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Hi,
-
- I've ported netstat from NET2 to 386bsd version 0.1. The changes
- are mostly involved with inserting #ifdefs for ISO, NS and IMP at
- the relevant places ("removing" that code, essentially), not
- compiling some of the modules (although the source remains together
- with comments in the Makefile) plus modifying the "unixpr()" routine
- in unix.c to traverse the open file table the new way. The
- "netstat -r" output looks a bit odd (although I guess this is the
- "new way"?), but gives the right information.
-
- The source and binary is available with anonymous ftp from
- ugle.unit.no (for lack of a better place) in the pub/unix/386bsd/
- directory as netstat-bin.tar.Z and netstat-src.tar.Z. Unpack the
- source from /usr/src and the binary and formatted man page (as root)
- from /. Use binaries at own risk ;-)
-
- - Havard
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- This is also available from agate.berkeley.edu and it's mirror
- sites.
-
- Hopefully, this will find it's way into the regular distribution.
-
-
- 2.17 How can I fix NFS to work with my NE2000 board?
-
- Ken Raeburn (raeburn@cambridge.cygnus.com) has both identified the
- problem and provided us with a work around:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- I reported previously that I was seeing problems reading files over
- NFS using the ne2000 driver; timeouts would eventually be reported, no
- data would be read. Listing files and directories (small ones
- anyways) were not a problem.
-
- After playing with etherfind and kernel printfs, I've come to this
- conclusion: Fragmented 8K UDP packets from the NFS server are not
- reaching the UDP layer in 386bsd. The Sun is sending them (according
- to another Sun spying on the network), but the UDP input routine is
- never called. I don't know if the bug here is on the 386bsd or Sun
- side, and won't have time to look into it in the next couple of days.
-
- In the meantime, mounting NFS file systems with "rsize=1024" does get
- rid of this problem.
-
- (It does nothing about TCP being slow, though.)
- Ken
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Hopefully, the real soloution (a UDP fix) will be forthcoming so
- that the slow TCP problem is fixed as well.
-
-
- 2.18 How do I add swap space?
-
- William F. Jolitz fprovides the soloution to this problem himself,
- by way of a reply to Randy Suess' question on the matter:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- >To add swap space, the device needs to be compiled into the kernel
- >in advance, even if you don't plan to use it. It reserves space in
- >it's swap space map for this (so eventually it can interleave them).
-
- Ok, that did it. Thanks. I am now able to have the swap
- partition on the second drive added with swapon. (at least
- the command completes with no errors. Any way to actually
- see if the system knows about the second swap partition?)
-
- in /sys/compile/YOUR_SYSTEM_NAME/swap386bsd.c,
- duplicate the makedev(0,1) line in the swdevt struct
- and change the 1 to a 9.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The swdevt struct fix is Randy's, the quoted material Bill's.
-
-
- 2.19 Where can I get a kernel with second drive and second swap in it?
-
- As mentioned elsewhere, James Risner (risner@ms.uky.edu) has
- provided at least binaries (I havent checked for sources yet):
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- A recompiled kernel with second drive support and second drive swap
- support is available on
- f.ms.uky.edu:/pub2/386bsd-0.1/unofficial/second.drive.randy/*
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.20 How do I make a device that can see my DOS partition?
-
- The correct answer to this problem is "one /dev/wdXX per partition
- and a DOSFS VFS module". Barring that, the soloution provided by
- Jim Paradis (paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com) will have to do:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- To build a devices.c file that lets you access the DOS partition, you
- need to know the byte offset of the DOS partition from the start of
- the hard disk. You would then add an entry to the devices[] array
- as follows:
-
- {'C', "/dev/wd0d", <byteoffset>L, 16, 0, (int (*) ()) 0, 0, 0, 0},
-
- So, f'rinstance, if your DOS partition starts at the beginning of
- the disk, you'd have:
-
- {'C', "/dev/wd0d", 0L, 16, 0, (int (*) ()) 0, 0, 0, 0},
-
- On the other hand, if your DOS partition starts 32Mb into the disk,
- you'd say something like:
-
- {'C', "/dev/wd0d", (32768L * 1024L), 16, 0, (int (*) ()) 0, 0, 0, 0},
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Once I have my machine a happy camper, the second soloution should be
- available shortly.
-
-
- 2.21 How can I get "ps" to work?
-
- Jim Paradis (paradis@sousa.ltn.dec.com) has given us a patch to
- ./src/lib/libutil/kvm.c in article 2115 of comp.unix.bsd. Get it
- from your usenet archive, or the usualt FTP sites when it becomes
- generally available.
-
-
- 2.22 How can I read tapes with multiple extents?
-
- With a no-rewind device. Tore Haraldsen (toreh@bootes.sds.no) has
- given us the information to make one:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- It IS possible to read multiple file tapes, if you do the following
- modifications to i386/isa/as.c:
-
- 1) Change the definition of dev_rewind macro to use a mask outside the
- other fields used by the scsi driver. Using the partition field for
- no-rewind flags will not work, due to imprecise coding elsewhere in
- the driver. Use 0100 for instance. Make a new kernel.
-
- 2) Create a device with this capability:
- mknod /dev/nras2a c 13 80
-
- The last number, 80 = 16 (=minor device number for as2) + 64
- (decimal representation of 0100).
-
- 3) When using the tape device for the first time, do some sort of dummy
- access to it: tar a cpio tape or vice versa. There seems to be some
- sort of race condition otherwise that will otherwise give you the
- unwanted rewind.
-
- 4) Good luck. This is just a hack, somebody compentent will have to
- rewrite the whole damn thing...
-
- -- Tore Haraldsen
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.23 How do I get around the NFS "Permission denied" error?
-
- The problem is not the configuration of the server (unless there is
- no real requirement to run it in "secure" mode, and you happen to
- be running it that way anyway). The problem is the fact that,
- even though mount request are sent on a priveledged port, NFS
- connections are not. This is part of secure NFS, and is not
- supported in 386BSD.
-
- There is a patch to cause NFS to use a secure port in 386BSD 0.1
- -- unfortunately, I don't have references for it. It did appear
- as a postisting, somewhere between article 1600 and 2100 (I know,
- big help).
-
-
- 2.24 Some of my SCSI devices (like a tape) dont work; why?
-
- This
- Gary Ward (gpw10@phoenixcd.amdahl.com) has seemingly discovered
- that the SCSI driver likes devices to start at 0 and work their
- way up. That means that you should put your first device at
- LUN 0, the second at LUN 1, and so on. The typical arrangement
- of disks at 0 and 1, and a tape at 4 will cause the tape to
- not be recognized. Change this to disks at 0 and 1 ans the tape
- at 2, and voila! the tape is suddenly there.
-
-
- 2.25 The "mountd" hangs on exporting a file system subdirectory.
-
- This is because of a bug in mountd itself, as identified by Roe
- Peterson (roe@Unibase.SK.CA). As yet, there is not a fixed
- binary available, so you will have to make the change and compile
- it yourself. The change, as posted by Roe, is as follows:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Found a little bug in mountd: If /etc/exports contained:
-
- /usr/src -root=0
-
- And /usr was not a file system unto itself, mountd went into an
- infinite loop and stayed there.
-
- The fix: in /usr/src/sbin/mountd/mountd.c, line 592 reads:
- while (*cp == '/' && cp > ep->ex_dirp)
- and should read:
- while (*(cp-1) == '/' && cp > ep->ex_dirp)
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.26 Are EISA cards supported?
-
- No, EISA cards are not directly support; however several, especially
- Adaptek SCSI controllers will work in ISA mode. When and if EISA
- is directly supported, they will give a significant performance
- advantage to EISA bus machines. Until then, there is nothing that
- is intrinsically better about owning an EISA bus machine.
-
-
- 2.27 Is microchannel (MCA, PS/2) supported?
-
- No. Like EISA, this is unsupported currently; unlike EISA, it can't
- work anyway until it is supported, as it doesn't fall back to ISA
- operation. If you want to work on this problem, I'm sure that
- many people will appreciate it; you will probably need an ISA or
- EISA machine to do the work, however.
-
-
- 2.28 How much disk space do I need?
-
- The following is culled down from the INSTALL.NOTES file of the
- distribution:
-
- Binary only: 49 M (30 disk, 5 swap, 14 extraction)
- Source: 125 M (49 bin, 37 disk, +6 extraction, 25 recompile)
- User software: +51 M
-
- Everything plus files from recompilation is 176 M with no space left
- over.
-
- I personally recommend at least 20-60 M of empty space for room to
- grow, build your own software, keep patches, read news, etc. Call
- it around 200 M for a full distribution you can rebuild from scratch
- and as a general usable system.
-
- If you are binary only, call it 70-160 M, depending on the space you
- want left over, and whether you load the additional user software.
-
- Add more space for X windows, additional swap, or anything else you
- want to use disk for. I find that I'm comfortable in 300 M with the
- developement work I'm doing.
-
- NB: Given the recent proliferation of postings for "multiple drive"
- kernels, it's always possible to "start small" and expand later, if
- you need to. You can also NFS mount disk space from another machine
- if you have networking installed, in which case you only need the
- space required for the binary distribution, no mater what you want
- to do.
-
-
- 2.29 How do I get rid of "startart" characters on my console?
-
- This has been a rather highly reported problem. Ken Raeburn reports
- that simply rebuilding the kernel from the supplied sources will
- get rid of it. Others have reported that moving the ethernet card
- to another IRQ also seems to sovle the problem.
-
-
- 2.30 I'm having trouble installing the binaries... why is that?
-
- .
- 2.31 Where can I get X windows for 386BSD?
-
- The writer of the X for 386BSD FAQ, Amancio Hasty Jr. (email at
- hasty@netcom.com) says:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- "Patches and binaries for X11R5 patch level 13 and X386-1.2E version
- 1.0.1 are available by anon ftp from agate.berkeley.edu and
- banjo.concert.net in /pub/386BSD/0.1-ports/X386 and from
- nova.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/386bsd/submissions. The file
- 386BSD.X386-1.2E.diff contains contex diffs against X386-1.2E-1.0.1
- and 386BSD.X386-1.2E.bin.tar.Z contains the binaries for 386BSD.
-
- The binaries are 61Mb when extracted. See the file INSTALL for
- further info. Files in usr/lib/X11/etc contain information on how
- to construct a required Xconfig file for your graphics card and
- monitor.
-
- In order to run the server, you will need either the supplied
- patched GENERICISA kernel binary or you will need to patch two
- kernel source files: pccons.c and locore.s. Since these patches
- are unofficial, we suggest you copy them to /sys/compile/...,
- where the kernel is compiled and patch them there. The patch for
- /usr/include/stdlib.h is not needed unless you are rebuilding X
- from sources.
-
- The X server uses both Glenn Lai's `SpeedUp' optimizations for
- ET4000 based SVGA and Jim Tsillas' generic `fX386' optimizations.
- Unfortunately, this release does not support the TRIDENT chipset,
- although a working port would be very welcome. The server binary
- was created with PEX support and compiled with both -O and -g, so
- although it is optimized for speed you can still get detailed
- debugging info if needed. Use `strip' on /usr/bin/X11/X386 if
- you aren't interested in debugging.
-
- To rebuild the binaries you will need 175Mb of disk, mit X11R5,
- fixes 1-13 and X386-1.2E-1.0.1 and these patches. On
- export.lcs.mit.edu the files are: /pub/R5/mit-*/mit-*,
- /pub/R5/fixes/fix-01 through 13, and
- /contrib/X386-1.2E/X386-1.2E-1.0.1.diff. Apply mit's fixes,
- then X386-1.2E-1.0.1, then these for 386BSD. The files
- mit/RELNOTES.TXT and mit/server/ddx/x386/README.X386-1.2E contain
- information on how to configure and build the distribution."
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.32 Where can I get (FTP) info on how to configure a kernel?
-
- One of the more frequent questions asked recently is "how do I
- rebuild the kernel?" Another, only slightly less frequently asked,
- is "now that I've rebuilt the kernel, what do I do with it?" The
- answers to both questions have been provided by Richard Murphey
- (email address rich@Rice.edu). Thank you, Rich, for the following
- information:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Ready-to-print PostScript files for each section of the net2 system
- maintainer's manual are on nova.cc.purdue.edu in
- pub/386bsd/submissions/bsd.manuals.
-
- smm.02.config.ps.Z describes kernel configuration for the vax, however
- some of it is relevant to 386BSD. There is no freely available
- rewrite for 386BSD that I know of.
-
- More specificly, for /dev/com2 you might look at the MAKEDEV script
- which is generated when you configure the kernel. Ideally, it should
- have a mknod command with the appropriate numbers for each device.
- Rich
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- 2.33 I get the error "isr 15 and error: isr 17" on an NE2000 card, OR
- I have some card on IRQ2 and it dosn't work; why?
-
-
- James Van Artsdalen (email at james@bigtex.cactus.org) has given
- us the answer:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Some VGA cards use IRQ 2 for a vertical retrace interrupt. Even when
- the interrupt is not enabled in the VGA, some cards drive IRQ 2
- inactive instead of leaving the signal tristate.
-
- If this is the problem, you can use Scotch tape to cover the IRQ 2
- signal on the VGA's ISA connector.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- There has been some discussion as to whether scoth tape is really
- appropriate inside a card slot. My answer would be "yes". This is
- because the alternate soloution of cutting the trace on the video
- board seems, to my mind, to reduce the value of the board. It is
- possible that, in the future, with a bi-partite driver, you would
- want to catch the retrace interrupt to get rid of "sparklies" or to
- implement a driver for a very high resoloution monitor for X. In
- this happens, given a choice between alcohol and solder, I vote for
- alcohol.
-
- An alternate soloution would be to remove your ethernet card until
- you have rebuilt the kernel so that it expects it at an interrupt
- other than 2, rejumper it, and reinstall it. This gets around both
- the tape and exacto knife soloutions, plus you don't have to know
- which pin is IRQ2 (something you need a techincal reference for
- the bus to find out).
-
-
- 2.34 If I do a "pwd", my directory goes away.
-
- There is a bug in "pwd". This problem also shows in other programs,
- but is seen most in "pwd". At the shell prompt, type a control-C
- (^C, interrput). This will make the shell "come back".
-
- Some people have suggested using bash (GNU's "Born Again SHell") as
- a replacement to fix this problem. *THIS DOES NOT WORK, AND WILL
- RESULT IN YOUR MACHINE HANGING IN BOOT OR AN "init failed" MESSAGE!*.
- Once you have your shell up, you can exec bash without a problem.
- Wait until the shell is up to do this, however.
-
-
- 2.35 I can't unpack etc01 becuse of "too many files open".
-
- The "too many files open" is a result of the "cat" command leaving
- files open after it has read a file. Hopefully, this will be fixed
- soon. In the mean time, Dwight E. Cass (email address at
- dec@lazarus.nrtc.northrop.com) has provided us with this enecdotal
- work around for his own experiences:
-
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
- So - back to installation. This time, when I get to the etc01
- partition, I am a bit more awake, so I run it from csh (with the
- open file limit at 256). Works pretty well - but complains at the end
- that it could not do the final configuration because it could not find
- the configuration file - I checked the MANIFEST and the file is not
- there, so I finally decided to ignore the message (but it was
- bothersome!) Once etc01 was done - source was easy ... and I am now
- up and running, and quite impressed!!!
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- The moral: Use csh! 8-).
-
-
- 2.36 Where is libcompat.a (for gtty, stty)?
-
- There is no such thing as a libcompat.a library. Remove the -l line;
- it's that simple.
-
- For gtty and stty, add the following lines to a header file (like
- termios.h):
-
- #define gtty(fd, argp) ioctl(fd, TIOCGETP, argp)
- #define stty(fd, argp) ioctl(fd, TIOCSETP, argp)
-
-
- 2.37 What's the current status of the kernel using gcc-2.2.2?
-
- Current status from a posting by one James Van Artsdalen
- (james@raid.dell.com):
-
- "Change in ../../i386/*/npx.c the lines it complains about to
- use 'X' instead of 'g' ('m' will fail in some cases). There is
- a failure problem is in machdep.o. The kernel being larger is
- probably due to large constant multiplies (gcc will use a sequence
- of shifts and adds instead of a multiply opcode), loop alignment
- on 32 bit boundaries, and poor handling of bit tests in some cases."
-
-
- 2.38 What's the status of streams for 0.1?
-
- According to Bill himself:
-
- "There is work underway on a streams-like mechanism for 386BSD
- called CURRENTS.
-
- Among other things, CURRENTS manages to allow for both sockets
- and TLI or mixtures of both. It is heavily object-oriented, and
- manages to allow for very small new streams protocol modules to
- be written and added. It manages to do most of it's processing
- in the put routines, implements flow control in a novel fashion,
- and avoids unecessary context switching.
-
- CURRENTS must almost certainly be incompatible with USL's streams
- within the kernel, and obviously won't implement the existing
- streams drivers. However, it won't suffer from the drawbacks of
- STREAMS/TLI either.
-
- We are walking on brand new ground with this, and if you are
- extrodinarily experienced in this area, and have the time,
- dedication, and guts for this, please get in touch with us."
-
-
- 2.39 How do I make my streaming SCSI tape work?
-
- Generally, the driver provided will work simply by setting large
- enough blocking factor.
-
- 2.40 Tip gives "all ports used" message.
-
- The messages "lock: open:" and "all ports used" show when you try to
- "tip com1" per the install notes.
-
- A recompile of the tip software will fix this problem. Cause is
- unknown.
-
- 2.41 SCSI controller/sense errors with DAT/varible block size tape.
-
- Thanks to Scott Burris (scott@pita.cns.ucla.edu) for the fix for
- this one:
-
- "The SCSI driver is broken for variable length tape devices. The
- problem is that the data transfer length is computed by code which
- assumes a fixed block tape drive. This causes the computer to
- transfer less data than the SCSI transaction calls for, which hangs
- the SCSI bus. Context diff's follow.
-
-
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- *** as.c Sun Jul 19 08:15:02 1992
- --- as.c.orig Sat Jul 18 20:10:32 1992
- ***************
- *** 899,906 ****
- n = 0;
- sp = as->scatter_list;
- nscatter = 0;
- - if (as->tape && as->bs == 1)
- - total = bp->b_bcount;
- while (n < total && nscatter < NSCATTER) {
- thistime = page_size - ((vm_offset_t)p - trunc_page (p));
-
- --- 889,894 ----
- --
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 2.42 My Wangtek 5150EQ doesn't stream.
-
- Enable buffered mode on the 5150ES. You can either set the jumper
- or use the SCSI command to enable it.
-
-
- 2.43 The "shutdown -todos" command doesn't work.
-
- There are two flavors of this problem. The first is if your path
- is set so that you are using the wrong "shutdown" command.
-
- The second is that it gives the message "can not make DOS partition
- bootable". This will not work if your partition is larger than about
- 30K (the point at which DOS will use a 16 bit FAT). Apparently, it
- will only work with 8 bit FATs, so if it is possible, use a smaller
- DOS partition, or several smaller partitions instea of one large one.
-
-
- 2.44 Making an HP Vectra work without a special boot disk.
-
- Thanks to Alan Yang (ayang@pollux.svale.hp.com)! The incantation is:
-
- "For those of you are using HP VECTRA QS/RS model, you probably have
- observed the 'flashing multicolored characters and ptdi81061 prompt'
- error. The cause for that had been described in the FAQ posting.
- The way that you can get around with the problem is by doing:
-
- 1. Run setup, and type 'yada' at the Enter option number and
- 'press <ENTER>:' prompt .
- 2. Select 1 from next menu to turn off the EX_BIOS and HIL_BIOS.
- 3. Exit after that.
-
- HP Vectra QS/RS system is using 4k memory for EX_BIOS and HP HIL
- bios at the bottom of 640K. By doing the above, you are turning
- off the bios and the system gives you back the 4k memory which
- allows the 386bsd0.1 to boot and install successfully without any
- patches."
-
-
- 2.45 Tip gives a "no file or no lock" error.
-
- As distributed, the directory '/var/spool/lock' is owned by root and
- tip is SUID uucp. The fix is to do the following:
-
- chown uucp /var/spool/lock
- chown uucp /var/log/aculog
-
-
- 2.46 I get the error "newfs: /dev/rwd0a: can't rewrite disk label" when
- I try to install 386BSD.
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------
- The soloution, from Holger Veit (veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de) is:
-
- "Your A5 partition *MUST* start at a cylinder boundary. This will
- be done automatically if you prepare the partition by FDISK and
- change the ID to A5. NEWFS does not like to start at a
- non-cylinder boundary and does not find the location to store the
- disk label. I think this is not a bug, but a vital feature, so
- don't patch the newfs source to get the remaining 238 sectors
- (they won't save your life)."
- -------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- If you change your partition offset to an even cylinder boundry, or
- use "OnTrack" or some other DOS utility capable of setting up A5
- partitions, the problem will go away.
-
-
- 2.47 Why can't I set up 386BSD as a router?
-
- You can, but it takes some hacking. It is currently there, but has
- been "hard wired" off. Ronald Khoo (ronald@gate.demon.co.uk) tells
- us why:
-
- "Quoting Bill: 'By default, BSD system's *DON'T* act as routers,
- primarily for network security reasons."
-
- The reasons are specified in RFC 1122 HOST REQUIREMENTS. Please
- do NOT change the default behaviour. This is REQUIRED. I quote:
-
- [ from RFC 1122 3.1 INTRODUCTION ]
-
- [ ... ] Any host that forwards datagrams generated by another host is
- acting as a gateway and MUST also meet the specifications laid out
- in the gateway requirements RFC [INTRO:2]. An Internet host that
- includes embedded gateway code MUST have a configuration switch to
- disable the gateway function, and this switch MUST default to the
- non-gateway mode. [ ... ]"
-
-
- 2.48 What tape devices are compatable with 386BSD?
-
- Per Fred Walter's request, here's the list:
-
- Wangtek 5099EN
- Wangtek 5150EQ
-
-
- 2.49 Why do I have to type ^V twice in screen and elsewhere?
-
- This is a tricky problem involving 386BSD's slightly different
- interpretation of the POSIX standard. The following was posted
- by Christoph by way of explanation:
-
- "From 'Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX) Part 1:
- System Application Program Interface (API) [C Language]' ('IEEE
- Std 1003.1 - 1990'), Chapter 7.1.2.4:
-
- # If IEXTEN is set,implementation-defined functions shall be
- # recognized from the input data. It is implementation defined
- # how IEXTEN being set interacts with ICANON, ISIG, IXON, or
- # IXOFF. If IEXTEN is not set, then implementation-defined
- # functions shall not be recognized, and the corresponding input
- # characters shall be processed as described for ICANON, ISIG,
- # IXON, or IXOFF."
-
- Basically, it boils down to this: "386BSD handles IEXTEN differently
- from most Berkeley implementations with which we are familiar. The
- fix is to take applications (like screen) and unset IEXTEN when the
- ICANNON is unset, and to reset it to it's previous value otherwise.
- In 386BSD's opinion, the extensions to input processing do not fall
- into the category of "canonical processing". It has been suggested
- that this will help find "errors" in programs before they occur on
- on other systems that take the same view as 386BSD. Unfortunately,
- I have to disagree, since this means 386BSD does not follow the
- "least astonishment" rule. Hopefully, IEXTEN will be saved across
- unsetting/setting ICANNON in a future release.
-
-
- 2.50 I get blinking characters instead of highlight-- why?
-
- This has to do with whether or not register 2 is correctly set up
- on your video controller (bit 4 or bit 5, if I remember correctly).
- Most video adapters which emulate the register set will not do so
- unless jumpered for "extended VGA" or something similar. ATI's
- EGA Wonder has this problem. Check out the "IBM Techinal Reference
- Manual", the section on the CGA card. The register controls whether
- the high bit of the Background color nibble is the "highlight color
- bit" or the "blink bit".
-
-
- 2.51 Where can I get a man page for ddb?
-
- The mach ddb man page is available by anonymous FTP from
- ernst.mach.cs.cmu.edu:src/src/mk/kernel/man/ddb.man
-
-
- 2.52 Where can I get 386BSD on tape?
-
- Paul A Vixie (vixie@pa.dec.com) has volunteered (I think he is about
- to regret it!):
-
- "I'll make tapes for anybody, and I've got a TK50(95MB) to do it
- with. I've also got 8MM(2GB or 5GB), 4MM(1GB RDAT), TK70(295MB),
- QIC(60MB, 150MB, and 525MB), and 9-track(1600 or 6250).
-
- Terms are as follows: send me a tape and a stamped, self-addressed
- return mailer (I will NOT reuse the mailer you use to get it to me
- and I will NOT lick any stamps for you). Somewhere on the tape
- write "386BSD 0.1". Do not include any notes, money, or special
- requests. Tapes arriving that deviate from those terms in any
- way are mine to keep with no notice to you.
-
- Mail all this junk to:
-
- Paul Vixie
- 3477 South Court
- Palo Alto, CA, 94306"
-
- Paul: I suggest you retract the "no money" clause 8-).
-
-
- 3.0 Contributors
-
- I have tried to give credit to the contributors, where possible, in
- the text of this FAQ. Some of this was transcribed from memory from
- postings seen more than a week ago, so if I have used a soloution
- for which you feel you should have received credit, and didn't, I'm
- sorry.
-
- Most of this information has been culled over the last few weeks of
- postings to usenet, so it is by no means complete.
-
-
- 4.0 The future
-
- This is an unofficial FAQ. I have created and posted it as an interim
- soloution until an officially sanctioned FAQ can be arrived at by
- someone-better-equiped-but-currently-too-busy-to-do-anything-about-it.
- Since this is the second revision, I'll assume that I am now elected
- as the official unoficcial FAQ keeper (a dubious honor).
-
- This FAQ does not represent an official position by William Jolitz
- or any of the other people quoted, without their permission, in it,
- and should not be considered as such.
-
- Any misrepresentations of attitudes or views of individual (and
- unwitting) contributors are due to my poor editorial skills.
-
-
- 5.0 Archivers
-
- There are several archival projects taking place currently. The
- following is a list of them, and where new information may be sent,
- and the locations that the gathered information may be retrieved
- from:
-
-
- NAME: DISKTAB ARCHIVE
- ARCHIVER: CHRIS G. DEMETRIOU
- EMAIL: cgd@agate.berkeley.edu
- UPLOAD: Email
- DOWNLOAD: Anonymous FTP at agate.berkeley.edu
- COMMENTS: If you've got a wierd type of disk, and installed
- 386bsd on your whole disk, SEND ME YOUR DISKTAB!
- I'm collecting them... but please don't send ones
- created solely by the install program; I don't want
- to have to deal with partition tables munged for DOS,
- nor with broken ones which have no "/usr".
- [NOTE: Given the following, I suspect that Chris
- would want DISKTAB, in all caps, in the subject
- line for any disktab entries you send him.]
-
-
- NAME: PATCH ARCHIVE
- ARCHIVER: CHRIS G. DEMETRIOU
- EMAIL: cgd@agate.berkeley.edu
- UPLOAD: Email, Anonymous FTP at agate.berkeley.edu
- DOWNLOAD: Anonymous FTP at agate.berkeley.edu
- COMMENTS: Have you made a patch, etc. for 386bsd 0.1? If so:
- Please send it to me. For files of moderate size,
- please uuencode and send them to me, (or, you can
- just "mail" the diff output, etc.) For large things,
- please put them up in ~ftp/pub/incoming on
- agate.berkeley.edu and send me mail about it. I'd
- appreciate it if the mail were titled (minimally)
- PATCHES or IN INCOMING (all caps for that part,
- please), and gave a description of what you're
- sending/have put up. If you put some stuff up
- elsewhere on the net (boot disks, etc), please put
- them in incoming as well, and send mail -- I spend
- several hours per day answering 386bsd mail alone,
- and i'm a full time student, with a part time job
- (*NOT* doing this -- read, i don't have much time...)
-
-
- 6.0 END-OF-FAQ
-